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		<title>By: kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh, jerome. you are tedious and the only one here who is fascinated by yourself. trust me.

esther, praying to jehovah for grace and strength for your family. remember, "greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world."

love</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh, jerome. you are tedious and the only one here who is fascinated by yourself. trust me.</p>
<p>esther, praying to jehovah for grace and strength for your family. remember, &#8220;greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>love</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Buderer, Director of Operations of One Village Foundation (founded by Joy Tang)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Buderer, Director of Operations of One Village Foundation (founded by Joy Tang)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many points. I feel this must be a good thing and not a bad thing. Its true we do need to get some of the organizational issues with OVF resolved. However I think and I would help that we would all accept that what matter is the spirit and passion of an idea and not so much the modern organizational BS that faces us to do good work in the world. 

And who are any of you to say that we have not done such through our work? Do you know me? Do you have the work we have done? Do you know Joy?

Anyone has any questions give me a call on my cell at 928 499 7962 and I will be willing to talk to any person here with questions (i just ask that they adhere to a respectful tone of communications and ask that the same be done here esp with regards to people you dont really know) about what OVF is and my role in it. 

Also you can reach me at my public OVF email jeff@onevillagefoundation.org. Of course both have been shared above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many points. I feel this must be a good thing and not a bad thing. Its true we do need to get some of the organizational issues with OVF resolved. However I think and I would help that we would all accept that what matter is the spirit and passion of an idea and not so much the modern organizational BS that faces us to do good work in the world. </p>
<p>And who are any of you to say that we have not done such through our work? Do you know me? Do you have the work we have done? Do you know Joy?</p>
<p>Anyone has any questions give me a call on my cell at 928 499 7962 and I will be willing to talk to any person here with questions (i just ask that they adhere to a respectful tone of communications and ask that the same be done here esp with regards to people you dont really know) about what OVF is and my role in it. </p>
<p>Also you can reach me at my public OVF email <a href="mailto:jeff@onevillagefoundation.org">jeff@onevillagefoundation.org</a>. Of course both have been shared above.</p>
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		<title>By: KK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther!
OH!
Lord Jesus be near! 
All this has happened in such a short amount of time and to confuse matters, right on que, you know who is here too! 
Don't you mind the people that are making things worse here by condemning or otherwise being negative by not having any compassion for you and your family. 
AND PLEASE readers...do not get sucked up with the trifles of ill will folks here by fueling fires that will never be distinguished by mere words!
Esther may delete or ignore them herself.

Lovely hearted girl...I am praying and asking others to as well...this is clearly an attack and your father needs some outside help this time for he is not himself. I have had to do intervention before and it is not easy.

I am very sorry for these events and KNOW that I pray as the spirit prompts-for all your siblings in this matter!
XO KK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther!<br />
OH!<br />
Lord Jesus be near!<br />
All this has happened in such a short amount of time and to confuse matters, right on que, you know who is here too!<br />
Don&#8217;t you mind the people that are making things worse here by condemning or otherwise being negative by not having any compassion for you and your family.<br />
AND PLEASE readers&#8230;do not get sucked up with the trifles of ill will folks here by fueling fires that will never be distinguished by mere words!<br />
Esther may delete or ignore them herself.</p>
<p>Lovely hearted girl&#8230;I am praying and asking others to as well&#8230;this is clearly an attack and your father needs some outside help this time for he is not himself. I have had to do intervention before and it is not easy.</p>
<p>I am very sorry for these events and KNOW that I pray as the spirit prompts-for all your siblings in this matter!<br />
XO KK</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Skoog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Skoog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerome...you may say no more, but I am damn sure you will keep reading.  Are you in fact, the Jerome listed in the sites found by redhorse?  

So if I can interpret your take on the situation, you think that Arne WANTS to follow Joy and her beliefs and his children are getting in the way?
And once he gets through this stage, everything is going to be sunshine and flowers????  You seem to enjoy writing in riddles. To get to that "place" he should become obsessed, mistreat his family, totally change his behavior, get thrown in jail, and have ups and downs like his family has never seen????  You call this love?  And it will lead to something positive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerome&#8230;you may say no more, but I am damn sure you will keep reading.  Are you in fact, the Jerome listed in the sites found by redhorse?  </p>
<p>So if I can interpret your take on the situation, you think that Arne WANTS to follow Joy and her beliefs and his children are getting in the way?<br />
And once he gets through this stage, everything is going to be sunshine and flowers????  You seem to enjoy writing in riddles. To get to that &#8220;place&#8221; he should become obsessed, mistreat his family, totally change his behavior, get thrown in jail, and have ups and downs like his family has never seen????  You call this love?  And it will lead to something positive?</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Olsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace Olsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly saying, that history let me crazy. I understand NOTHING about Jerome's intentions. With relation to Joy's photo with Dalai Lama, believe me... many people lived close to Teresa of Calcuta but weren't Teresa of Calcutá. A photo can say many things...and at the same time say nothing.

Esther, ta hand om dig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly saying, that history let me crazy. I understand NOTHING about Jerome&#8217;s intentions. With relation to Joy&#8217;s photo with Dalai Lama, believe me&#8230; many people lived close to Teresa of Calcuta but weren&#8217;t Teresa of Calcutá. A photo can say many things&#8230;and at the same time say nothing.</p>
<p>Esther, ta hand om dig.</p>
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		<title>By: jerome</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When faced with Esther’s and Josef’s attacks of yesterday, I felt aggrieved and wondered how to explain. But the task seemed so difficult, the explanation so convoluted that I decided to just sleep on it. 

This morning, I am willing to admit that I have embarrassed myself in opening my gormless big mouth too often for comfort. I broke the reserve I called on everybody on this blog to observe in my comment to the previous post. And I inserted in the conversation a concern dear to me, but not relevant to this blog. I regret and apologize to you, Arne and Joy, for having allowed myself to be carried away. And I apologize to Esther for having given her to think that I was intent on high-jacking her blog.

To show something for my penance here goes the tale of Arne’s Travels to the Far-East:

Arne is the able entrepreneur from Zinder into whom Joy has sensed the seed of sanctity. At Most Venerable Master Abbot XXX’s behest, Arne boards a plane for the Far-East to retrieve Buddha’s teachings for Africa. Joy protects guileless Arne on his journey. 

Lively and passionate E, reliable brother F and compassionate sister G join in on the pilgrimage. Along their journey, they defeat hundreds of demons and goblins who prey on handsome but helpless Arne. But lacking Arne’s commitment to the transmission of the Law, they also cause him much trouble and grief. They eventually come around. In return, they will receive enlightenment and forgiveness for their sins.
 
Two to sixteen years later, depending on his devotion, Arne eventually brings back the Teachings transmitted to him by the Most Venerable but last Master Abbot XXX of temple XXX. On Taiwan, the Teachings will go the way they did in centuries past in Afghanistan, India or China. But back in the Sahel, lotus flowers will bloom in Arne’s hallowed footprints.
 
Those are the lines along which the tale of Arne’s travels to the Far-East will be enshrined in the family lore. Presently, the narrator – creative Esther, not yet aware she is journeying on the palm of Buddha’s hand – has us, eager readers, befuddled and hapless. 

Now ! The dragon…, where does the mythical dragon comes in? “

Fingers crossed, I promise I will say no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When faced with Esther’s and Josef’s attacks of yesterday, I felt aggrieved and wondered how to explain. But the task seemed so difficult, the explanation so convoluted that I decided to just sleep on it. </p>
<p>This morning, I am willing to admit that I have embarrassed myself in opening my gormless big mouth too often for comfort. I broke the reserve I called on everybody on this blog to observe in my comment to the previous post. And I inserted in the conversation a concern dear to me, but not relevant to this blog. I regret and apologize to you, Arne and Joy, for having allowed myself to be carried away. And I apologize to Esther for having given her to think that I was intent on high-jacking her blog.</p>
<p>To show something for my penance here goes the tale of Arne’s Travels to the Far-East:</p>
<p>Arne is the able entrepreneur from Zinder into whom Joy has sensed the seed of sanctity. At Most Venerable Master Abbot XXX’s behest, Arne boards a plane for the Far-East to retrieve Buddha’s teachings for Africa. Joy protects guileless Arne on his journey. </p>
<p>Lively and passionate E, reliable brother F and compassionate sister G join in on the pilgrimage. Along their journey, they defeat hundreds of demons and goblins who prey on handsome but helpless Arne. But lacking Arne’s commitment to the transmission of the Law, they also cause him much trouble and grief. They eventually come around. In return, they will receive enlightenment and forgiveness for their sins.</p>
<p>Two to sixteen years later, depending on his devotion, Arne eventually brings back the Teachings transmitted to him by the Most Venerable but last Master Abbot XXX of temple XXX. On Taiwan, the Teachings will go the way they did in centuries past in Afghanistan, India or China. But back in the Sahel, lotus flowers will bloom in Arne’s hallowed footprints.</p>
<p>Those are the lines along which the tale of Arne’s travels to the Far-East will be enshrined in the family lore. Presently, the narrator – creative Esther, not yet aware she is journeying on the palm of Buddha’s hand – has us, eager readers, befuddled and hapless. </p>
<p>Now ! The dragon…, where does the mythical dragon comes in? “</p>
<p>Fingers crossed, I promise I will say no more.</p>
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		<title>By: m.e.</title>
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		<dc:creator>m.e.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori: you're right. i would not walk away from my father if he suddenly had become so radically different. i pray and hope the family, if they are not totally exhausted and disheartened by all of this, are seeking some kind of professional help, possibly through their family in norway, in this. but i know only what we've been told in the blog posts and comments. it is worrisome, cruel, and heart-breaking. i worry about miriam, josef, and esther most of all. it seems clear they are not going to change his mind. miracles do happen, though. this will take a miracle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori: you&#8217;re right. i would not walk away from my father if he suddenly had become so radically different. i pray and hope the family, if they are not totally exhausted and disheartened by all of this, are seeking some kind of professional help, possibly through their family in norway, in this. but i know only what we&#8217;ve been told in the blog posts and comments. it is worrisome, cruel, and heart-breaking. i worry about miriam, josef, and esther most of all. it seems clear they are not going to change his mind. miracles do happen, though. this will take a miracle.</p>
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		<title>By: oneredhorse</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneredhorse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerome as in Jerome Peloquin perhaps?  

One of Joy's facebook buddies.  
http://twitter.com/peloquin

http://www.microventuresupport.org/

They seem to share drumming, IT moves, and?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerome as in Jerome Peloquin perhaps?  </p>
<p>One of Joy&#8217;s facebook buddies.<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/peloquin" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/peloquin</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.microventuresupport.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.microventuresupport.org/</a></p>
<p>They seem to share drumming, IT moves, and?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Skoog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Skoog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m.e.

If your father was acting in a radically different way and changed as much physically and mentally as Arne Garvi, would you walk away from him?  If Joy was interested in having a long term realtionship with him, why would she avoid meeting his family?
And if she is truly an honorable person, where is she in all this?  

and Jerome, your quote (posted above) is pretty interesting.  If all this adventure makes you sick, why do you keep coming back for more?

Esther's readers have enjoyed nothing but peaceful posts with gorgeous photos and text.  Because we are interested in Eden and learning more about Niger, we continue to tune in.  The last thing we expected to read about was this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m.e.</p>
<p>If your father was acting in a radically different way and changed as much physically and mentally as Arne Garvi, would you walk away from him?  If Joy was interested in having a long term realtionship with him, why would she avoid meeting his family?<br />
And if she is truly an honorable person, where is she in all this?  </p>
<p>and Jerome, your quote (posted above) is pretty interesting.  If all this adventure makes you sick, why do you keep coming back for more?</p>
<p>Esther&#8217;s readers have enjoyed nothing but peaceful posts with gorgeous photos and text.  Because we are interested in Eden and learning more about Niger, we continue to tune in.  The last thing we expected to read about was this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand all these cycling confusions, but I don't think, as a reader on the outside, I am meant to understand. For now, all I wish you Esther is the inner power to find yourself and be all you feel happy to be! Stand firm in your identity! You are a beautiful soul! Rememember and protect the elements of who you are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand all these cycling confusions, but I don&#8217;t think, as a reader on the outside, I am meant to understand. For now, all I wish you Esther is the inner power to find yourself and be all you feel happy to be! Stand firm in your identity! You are a beautiful soul! Rememember and protect the elements of who you are!</p>
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		<title>By: m.e.</title>
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		<dc:creator>m.e.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i totally do not understand is why many readers of this blog seems so ready to dump on joy tang....everyone except arne garvi, who has been ready to punch his daughters in the face in order to show his solidarity with joy. i think we should leave them all alone to sort this out.  i further think esther, miriam, and joseph should go back home to tanout and rest together with their loved ones--the dogs, the kids, the other adults.  they should let their father do what he has to do and accept whatever comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i totally do not understand is why many readers of this blog seems so ready to dump on joy tang&#8230;.everyone except arne garvi, who has been ready to punch his daughters in the face in order to show his solidarity with joy. i think we should leave them all alone to sort this out.  i further think esther, miriam, and joseph should go back home to tanout and rest together with their loved ones&#8211;the dogs, the kids, the other adults.  they should let their father do what he has to do and accept whatever comes.</p>
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		<title>By: gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, that is good to know.  
G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, that is good to know.<br />
G.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freeborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note that I was in error questioning the integrity of the blog. My comment was re-posted in full length at the head of THIS post by Esther. Having a comment moved was a first for me but I respect Esthers attempt to bring some order in everything going on here right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note that I was in error questioning the integrity of the blog. My comment was re-posted in full length at the head of THIS post by Esther. Having a comment moved was a first for me but I respect Esthers attempt to bring some order in everything going on here right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther, for your own and your family's safety, maybe you should password protect your blog during this difficult time.  I pray that all issues are resolved soon, and the origins of your father's preplexing behavior is sorted out.  Hang in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther, for your own and your family&#8217;s safety, maybe you should password protect your blog during this difficult time.  I pray that all issues are resolved soon, and the origins of your father&#8217;s preplexing behavior is sorted out.  Hang in there.</p>
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		<title>By: gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am thinking about now for hours, that if Joy's goal would not be to separate and ............... we could put a lot of different verbs here (use, fleece, dominate, manipulate, brainwash or follow Freeborn's theory of neutralize Arne's success), she would be talking days ago right here about what is going on. 

Would any of you really want to listen to people disecting you, when you know darn well, that they are all wrong, and you are right?  

I don't think so.

At least, I would not, I would honestly try to make them all understand what a gift I am for Arne, and make the family accept me. This would be much simpler that playing this game of hide and seek.

I think it is human nature, that in the face of some of these "accusations"
one would want to come clean, or prove, that not a word is true of all of this.

She could do that without loosing an iota of pride, if what we are talking about is not true, that would be the easiest to prove it, starting with the ever questionable amulets.

Joy had over 2 weeks for this, since even before the whole party flew from Berlin to Taiwan - there were questions, they were the amulets, there was the change in Mr. Garvi's demeanor. There was the difference in his looks.

We do know (there is proof for that in Miriam's blog) that Joy is reading the blog, if not doing even some other things with it - alas I am not that computer savvy - but Freeborn is questioning already the integrity of Esther's blog.

So what gives? I agree with Lori Skoog - this needs to be adressed on a different level for the family, to make her understand, that the family is not about to leave Arne in her questionable hands. 

Heck, I am not about willing to leave him there, and I am sure this is true for all of us, who got to know this family.

Out of the two parties, one of them is wrong, one of them is not true. Is Joy going to step up to the plate and take her responsibity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am thinking about now for hours, that if Joy&#8217;s goal would not be to separate and &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; we could put a lot of different verbs here (use, fleece, dominate, manipulate, brainwash or follow Freeborn&#8217;s theory of neutralize Arne&#8217;s success), she would be talking days ago right here about what is going on. </p>
<p>Would any of you really want to listen to people disecting you, when you know darn well, that they are all wrong, and you are right?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>At least, I would not, I would honestly try to make them all understand what a gift I am for Arne, and make the family accept me. This would be much simpler that playing this game of hide and seek.</p>
<p>I think it is human nature, that in the face of some of these &#8220;accusations&#8221;<br />
one would want to come clean, or prove, that not a word is true of all of this.</p>
<p>She could do that without loosing an iota of pride, if what we are talking about is not true, that would be the easiest to prove it, starting with the ever questionable amulets.</p>
<p>Joy had over 2 weeks for this, since even before the whole party flew from Berlin to Taiwan - there were questions, they were the amulets, there was the change in Mr. Garvi&#8217;s demeanor. There was the difference in his looks.</p>
<p>We do know (there is proof for that in Miriam&#8217;s blog) that Joy is reading the blog, if not doing even some other things with it - alas I am not that computer savvy - but Freeborn is questioning already the integrity of Esther&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>So what gives? I agree with Lori Skoog - this needs to be adressed on a different level for the family, to make her understand, that the family is not about to leave Arne in her questionable hands. </p>
<p>Heck, I am not about willing to leave him there, and I am sure this is true for all of us, who got to know this family.</p>
<p>Out of the two parties, one of them is wrong, one of them is not true. Is Joy going to step up to the plate and take her responsibity?</p>
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